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Or indeed - I notice that the Wichelt site also often says "paler" next to the DMC colour. Does anyone know whether it is the fabric or floss that is paler?

Thank you everyone, those are just the sort of thing that I am looking for. I think that a combination may get me what I want. Many years ago I bought a Zweigart catalogue but it seemed to go out of date so quickly and now the fabrics they sell don't bear much resemblence!

The wichelt site looks ...

This is my first post, and I tried to search for previous posts asking this question, so apologies if I just failed to find it:

Does anyone know of a chart that gives approximate colour conversions from Zweigart fabrics to DMC floss? I have a DMC shade card and it would be great to be able to know ...